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When you're fishing walleye, you should use a canadian tire/Kmart special ultralight. Should run you about nine bucks if you've found it properly. Then spool up eight pound test, this is important once you catch that 25 pound world record. You can fight a big fish on a small rod but with light line it is nearly impossible, he fights you.

Spool the line on to a spincast reel, no baitcasters allowed (brain freeze almost wrote aloud). Spincasts are perfect for sitting back and loving life and fishing.

Now rig up some teaspoons with red beads and you're set. Nothing special needed other than the given, a fourty thousand dollar bass boat, you know for lounging.


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Got my catalog today lots of bass stuff but the prices are still better in the http://www.lebaron.ca book.
if you're in need of gear in C$ you really should have both books.
just for the record a walleye over 4 lbs puts up a good scrap,and there is NO freshwater fish in North America that tastes as good done in tempura batter.


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No Mac lets get all those bass out of our water. Then see if the trout and salmon do a little better. Take your bass and do your test in northeren Manitoba they should be right at home with the walleyes, Or do you think they might get et'up Maybe the ugly little suckers just couldn't cope so well with some real bone fish. Or they may just freeze up and die.


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In nature, the strong survive...and THAT is how it should be with animals. Weaker species become fodder for the mighty, get used to it! Just like in "Jurassic Park"...nature WILL find a way (yeah I know it was just a MOVIE)!

I have seen MANY Manitoban waters that supported Bass, Walleye AND Pike simultaneously, so I don't think that would be a problem.
I have ALSO read that the Pike are like 2 steps away from entering the Fraser! Won't it be fun when THAT happens!
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the best book i've ever found on smallies is Smallmouth Bass by Dick Sternberg,published by Cy DeCosse Inc.
i picked it up at a clearance house somewhere,not expecting much,i've got my $$$ back many,many times over.
it's all there,habitat,gear,technique you name it;if you're at all interested you should check it out.
http://www.chapters.ca has it for sure.


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Actually, Mac, you're quite wrong. It isn't the strong that survive in nature. That's a common fallacy. Genetic freaks tend to survive, but it's more a matter of luck than design.

Bass are food fish. Salmonids are sport fish. Get used to it.


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if somebody told me there were 10 lb bass in the lake i was fishing i would go somewere else.


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Here we go again, looks like I'm the only calming influence on this board repeat after me:
KOOOMBAYAAAAA my Lord!
Anyhoo Mac to respond to your Gitzit post( I know that was a while ago but the strikle closed the schools and my access to a Computer) ya I love'em, the work better on smallies than Largemouths for me anyways, maybe its the whole crayfish thing.
youu should try this tip I picked up along the way agter reading evey bass book around (i'm assuming that a Gitzit is another name for a tube jig) anyways try inserting a piece of alka-selter into the tube body then cast out as normal you will be in for a shock, the smallies go absolutely bonkers.
By the way the smoke colour you mentioned is good along with brown, greys, chartuse and black and purple. SeeYa all!


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Yer right B.F!
When I say Gitzit..I mean a tube jig, I'm just paying homage to the creator (Guido Hibdon) of these wonderful lures. I have heard of, but haven't tried the Alka-Seltzer thing, maybe this spring.
Yeah, you seem to have a calming effect on this board. Depending on what type of day I've had, I can come unglued a bit by these Non bass fishers and their unending attempts to quash a species that "should" be respected every bit as much as any other ichytoid. I had to laugh at that one post who said he would leave a Lake if it had Bass in it!....and I'm supposed to be upset at this? Hey pal, if you want to clear a spot on the lake for me...great! Maybe I should start a rumour that there are Bass in the Vedder, maybe then it'll worth going fishing there...what with everybody leaving!
I was starting to wonder where you had been lately...I felt abandoned!
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speaking of 'mini' spinnerbaits for Smallies,i bought some small spinnerbait 'arms' from Cabela's
now i can use any jig as a spinnerbait.
all those spinner blades that i used to use for river salmon fishing can now be used for bassin'.
good thing too as it looks like the future holds very little freshwater fishing for ever-diminishing salmon stocks here in Southren BC.


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Now that's what THIS conversation is all about Rodbender! At least you're receptive to an alternative fishery!
BC has a great variety of Lake fishery too, even in the Fraser Valley, and I don't understand why THOSE arenas aren't used a little more. I mean, if I was a Vedder fisherman, I would have left the crowds and hit the Lakes a LONG time ago!
What did those jig-arms set you back ($$ wise) and are they available anywhere around here?
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jig arms are available from
http://www.luremaking.com which is a Canadian company,i'm sure i plugged them before on this site.
anyway you can either order the 'hard' catalogue or download the on-line version-which requires the Adobe Reader-looks like a pain but actually works quite well.
if you haven't bought tackle on the'net yet you should give it a try,saves PST.
anyway pg 16 will show you the 'arms'.


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Cool!
Yes, I do remember your "plug" of that site and I did download the catalogue..don't remember seeing those things though. Guess I'll have to give it another look!
Cheers!
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Does it really save you money by making the lures yourself?
I know alot of guys make spinners and spoons for Salmon and stellehead but bass spinnerbaits and weedguard jigs can be bought for so little anyways whats the point. Like those mini spinner baits
(Mini-King) can be bought for $1.39 US and large spinnerbaits can be found for around $2 US and they are already tuned and will run properly.
Weedguard jigs go for around 1-3$ depending on the complexity. '
I'm curious to know what it costs to put one together for you guys?


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good question-depends how many you go through in a season i suppose.
i compare it to growing your own veggies,in fact food is so cheap in this society you can buy veggies cheaper than you can grow them.
i don't fish bass as much as i'd like so for me it's cheaper to buy tackle i'm sure.


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Well I guess it wouldn't make sense foer me then to put some together. I think if someone goes through more than 3 spinnerbaits a year around here there is something wrong with them. Firstly throwing spinnerbaits for cookie-cutter sized smallmouths is just dumb secondly they are totally weedless so if somene were to lose alot of them....


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Hey mac when you went out to that Walmsley Ditch what was the shoreline like were there any fallen trees or docks or vegitation, I know its winter so probably not any weed but coould you see any lily pad stocks under the water, was the shoreline on a steep or gradual slope into the water, any large boulders etc....

Oh yeah what kind of boat do you use and what tyoe of electric motor


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14' aluminum boat and an old Envinrude 9.9!
Since this is an old gravel pit, the shoreline was fairly steep, but I couldn't see much vegetation under the water. There is ONE dock and no visible sumerged trees.
I don't think this place is worth the effort, really. If the Ski-club is using it...you're not allowed on it, and when you ARE allowed to fish it, it is NO POWER boats (makes sense...let the water skiiers use it but not the fishermen?). As I said, BIG disappointment! If I were you, I'd stick to either Mill or Kawkawa Lakes or hit the Okanagan for some REAL fishing!
I could say that "it would be nice to have a local alternative to going to the OK", but apparently statements like that get everybody upset!:(
Keep the Faith BF...there's more of US out there than you think!
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Mac I have never said I have a problem with bass in an enclosed environment. Such as an old gravel pit. Most of the people that give you flak have the same concerns that I do. The consequences bass could have on the native species if introduced into a watershed. I have seen some of your old posts with advice to beginner fly fishermen. You have offered good advice, and seem to have a fair understanding of the sport. You also seem concerned about our environment. I just can't understand why you can not see the problems this can and will eventually cause.


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Fishy,
On the contrary (and I mean this in a sincere and "unbaited" kind of way), I understand completely the consequences of INTRODUCING Bass in local waters...and I have stated repeatedly that I am NOT in favour of doing this (when I'm in SERIOUS mode).
I am only looking for an alternative wherever it may exist, and I favour natural selection: Letting nature do its own thing with regards to letting the Strong (or the genetic freaks) survive if that is destiny.
Come to the dark side Luke...it is your DESTINY!
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Your not getting it Mac. Maybe just mabe if a bass swam up here naturally I could except it.(before I bonked it) Thats like saying let all the dogs out of the spca to run in packs.If they kill all the deer thats to bad. Let the strong survive. Don't be getting pissed now.I believe the lakes in the kootneys where trout and bass co-exist are a rarity not the norm. I don't think we know enough about it and probly never will. Reply but please don't beat the same old fish against the wall.


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Okay, no more fish beating!
I have a feeling that you are from the OK/Kootenays area, am I right? Then you are probably (you don't pi$$ed either, now) like me, only in reverse! If you're an OK/Kootenay resident, then you've probably had nothing but Bass and trout shoved in your face all your life, and after a while...you get kinda bored with it. Every tackle shop you go to is full of spinnerbaits and crankbaits and rubber worms...you yearn for the sight of a Spin 'n Glo!
Am I accurate thus far?
Then, one day...you hear of this great new salmon and steelhead fishery going on in other parts of the Province and you say "Gee, that would be cool to fish for THAT...if only it wasn't sooooo far away! I wish I could get that HERE!" And then you find out that there ARE these specimens close to you BUT the locals consider them parasites and want to do away with them...you recoil in horror!
OK, maybe that's a bit of a stretch...but I think you get the idea.
It's the same with me...for the last 30 years it's been Steelhead and Salmon...salmon and steelhead....oh Yawn!
I've already told my wife that if things were different around here (employment wise) that I would have NO reservations about moving to the Okanagan, we have several friends in the Penticton/Osoyoos area. But since full-time work is so hard to come by nowadays...you gotta stay where it is. I guess I'm just a victim of circumstances and my Bass fishing is reduced to weekends and Stats.
Now you know where I'm coming from...sorry for such a long story, but at least I didn't do any fishbeating (did I?).
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Wrong was raised in the Cariboo. I live in the OK now. Wrong I will never tire of trout fishing.I can't honestly say I know what a spin'n glo is. Something like a wedding ring I imagine. I graduated from a willow pole to a fly rod at about 14 years old. I have fished a spinning rod though.(admit my sin) I just never fished them seriously.(I'm forgiven) I do miss the fishing in the Chilotin ,but I have never contemplated putting Dean River Steelies in the Shuswap. I don't fish the salmon runs in the Shuswap. I have seen these guys fish them and it's a joke.Poor old beat up boots, There is some good trout fishing at that time though. Some time when I go to Alabama, I'm gon'a get a bass. No beating


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Really? You've never heard of a Spin 'n Glo? I didn't think there was ANYBODY in BC that didn't own several (besides me)!
Mind you, when we came to BC in '70...nobody here knew what a Canadian Wiggler was either!

I don't "tire" of Trout fishing either. When I can catch a good hatch of Hexagenia on a Lake, I'm in heaven! Love down-riggin' for Lakers, too!
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Mac I've never tried that down-riggin thing either. It's to complicated like; how much beer to bring if both damn hands are free. I could miss calculate by a couple of doz. and blow the whole experience. Maybe on a houseboat with a card table a few buddy's, big fridge and a bathing beauty or two ,to put on the sun screen. I could force myself I guess.


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Hey, you gotta try it!
Down-rigging is the Ultimate "Lazy Fisherman's" dream...especially flat-lining! Let out about 200 feet of line, hook it up to the cannon ball and drop it down 6-10 ft. You can cruise the whole lake with the rod in the holder, checking out the scenery, watching the Fish-finder for contours, have a grope with the wife/mistress...it's a thing of beauty!
And you don't have to worry about getting the line tangled in the prop 'cause it's down beneath it, so you can make some real sharp turns (if necessary) or if you start weaving around after too many brews!
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Carver - the best part of all is that the whole experience is entirely unlike fishing ! It's more like dragging a lake for a body. Enjoy.


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Oh joy I can hardly wait !


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Well, the true beauty of flat-lining, is that after a few passes with the Humminbird...you get to see where the fish may be hanging; you find submerged weedbeds, structure and pockets; you can check out the shoreline for telltale signs (outcroppings, old river/stream beds); and if you've got a really expensive 'Bird...you can also find the water temperature in different parts of the lake.
In essence, this allows you to reconnoiter the entire "lay-of-the-land" WHILE you cover some water and you might even catch one in the process!
Lake fishing is my favourite...HATE crowds (in case you haven't realized that yet!) and it's easier to get away from the masses when you're at a larger lake!
Don't laugh!...One time when we were at one of our favourite Cariboo lakes...the cops WERE dragging for a body! No downrigging or vertical jigging was done on THAT trip!
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Woooo Mac that sounds like where getting pretty close to bass water. Fishfinder,weedbeds,structure all in the same post. I don't know if I like this. Are you trying to set me up. Lets stick to fish'en OK.


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Not at all! There's no "setup"...How else would you go about determining where the fish would be holding in a LARGE lake?
I'm not talking "Knouff lake" large...I mean something the size of Bonaparte lake. When you only have 3 or 4 days to spend there, you gotta cover a lot of ground quickly, and the best way to do it (other than topo maps) is with a depth sounder/fish finder. Surely you (or any fisherman out there) can appreciate the importance of structure in a lake, or a river? I realize that the B@$$ fishermen are renowned for their talk of "structure" as it pertains to B@$$ holding patterns and such...I don't know what else to call it.
This one lake we go to every summer has an underwater island that I discovered with the old 'bird (even the site owners didn't know about it) and the action around that island every evening was just awesome. The trout would literally boil the water around it rising to Caddis flies...what a hoot!
Speaking of which...does ANYBODY out there know of any sites where you can download topographical maps of BC lakes? I've tried several of the govt. sites but to no avail.
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I would head for the feeder streem mouths. Then work my way out into open water as the day warmed. At dusk you could fined me casting from shore with big fat tom thumbs letting them drift out with the babling little brook. Then I would head for that hot frying pan of bubbling butter.


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Mac about maps, I seen some real little gems they sell at the Salmon Lk. resort. They show the outline of the lake with the depth changes in different shades of blue. They had them for a bunch of different interior lakes. You can read them at a glance. My cousin works there so I'll give him a call and see if I can find out the companys name that prints them. Someone on here may know the maps I'm talking about.


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All right, I'll keep my eyes open for that one.
What about a "spring-fed" lake....one that's fed from an underwater spring, and you don't know where the spring is? I have tried the feeder stream approach, but on the lakes we fish, these areas hold a lot of coarse fish (yes, even in the Cariboo) and quite often, the best spots that we have found, over years of visits, were really quite removed from the feeders.

How is this SALMON LAKE anyway? Is that the one in the Douglas Lake area? I've heard lots of good stories about that place, but I've also heard that it's VERY CROWDED, too!


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Hey fishcarver I hope you're not talking about those maps Made by a company called FishData off the island.
They chare 10-15$ a pop and the maps are not very detailed at all and sometimes innacurate but doo give a general feel for the lake,


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By the way did any of you guys read the freshwater outlook Bc Outoors for this month. It's not very detailed but they kinda begin to talk about the Bass in the Abby area moving around and spreading out. I think I might have an idea of who is part of it although I'm not certian.


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Now the plot thickens. Spring fed lake aren't usally that big. The biggest problem I seem to have is the trout get really selective. In this case if I can see them but no takers. I'll fish close to shore and get one of the dumb little one's and pump it's stomic. In a small lake there's a good chance they'll be eating the same things. Not always though. Theres a little lake up behined my house that I have cought 3# plus in. I still get skunked there some times .The trout turn on and off spawning mode irregularly in these's lakes also.
About salmon lk. it,s good fishing. I don't want to sound like an add here but I have never seen it crowded. The lake gets busy ,day boaters. It's an hours dive for me. I go in the fall. 15$ a night for my camper. Hot showers,pool for the kids and no idiot's like in some forestry parks. I have a reunion coming up there in july, I wish it was my lakebut I've been happy with it.


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Bassfreak Those could be the same maps.I diden't know the price though. I think I'll stick to my theories. About the bass. Just when me and Mac seemed to be getting along eh. I have heard about it. Maybe if I ignore them they'll go away. I haven't read it yet though.


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BassFreak...
I know what you're thinking but IT WASN'T ME!!
Thanks for the vote of confidence, though :)

FishCarver
I wasn't thinking about any lake in particular but suddenly, Sheridan Lake comes to mind. The first year we went there ('86 or '87) we were slaughtering them! But since then, I've been skunked! I've seen the way the Americans fish that Lake (no slur intended against the US), and I think I would rather go away skunked than to fish like that! POWERBAIT!!?? Toss it out, let it sink...sit and wait! Whoopee! I would rather try choronomid fishing!
Sheridan is spring fed, and we basically just spent a whole evening cruising, watching for risers and for any bugs that might be hatching. We went back again, about 3 years later and didn't get a nibble (except for spawners), yet one twit caught a NICE brookie, casting from the dock!
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Is there a witch hunt coming up? I'll bring the tar.
Mac when you said you were catching coarse fish you must have been using bait? I fish lakes with coares fish in them and as long as I don't scent my fly. I don't have a problem. There not much for bug eaters. One time I got stupid and smeared some power crap on a fly. I had a stack of squaw fish in no time. The gulls thought I was GOD handing them out like candy. Mac the lakes I have founded and fish up here. If there's more than three boats it's crowded. Whats wrong with chorono fishing. You just haven't hit the right lake yet. Anyhow


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No, we weren't using bait, we could SEE the suckers lounging on the bottom!
Get this...on our annual trip to our favourite Cariboo Lake last summer, my 8 yr old son caught a 4 lb SUCKER on a Doc Spratley!!!No scent, no bait, just a trolled Spratley! When it hit, he thought he had just found the Motherlode! That stupid thing fought like crazy and we were ALL convinced it was a RB Trout...until it got close to the boat...The Ospreys thanked us for that one!
On this lake, it is NOT uncommon to catch squawfish on the fly either. Many a times we've fought this "fish", only to net him and realize it was Bear bait.


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Evrybody gets lucky once in awile. I fish OK lake at the north end for trout, by whiteman cr. When I first started people would laugh like hell. Out on this huge lake in a tin boat with a fly rod. After a few of them seen me tangle with some 5 and 6 pound bows they started taking an intrest. I haven't cought one of the big boys yet but there was a 23# taken last year off the log booms on westside. Seen it in the paper and I've seen some native boys get some big ones with spinning gear at the creek mouth in the spring. I'm going to try bucktailing them this spring. A fellow gave me a little 2hp. sea horse this winter. The lakes almost ice free now but just a tad early I think.


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I remember my father landing some huge fish in Shuswap Lake on the fly. I have not been back to try it myself, but it is definitly a possiblity. Your chances increase early in the season when the big fish are cruising the shallows as it is very difficult to get your fly down to them once they go deep. Trolling at night is also an excellent idea.


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I haven't tried night fishing. Your right about spring fishing tough. I fish from shore some times and you can see some monsters cruising just at the edge of the drop off. Close enough to see there eyes. I just can't get them interested in any type of fly. I've been thinking of finding some epoxy minnows. It gives me something to do while waiting for the other lakes to open. When the plesure boats and toys hit the lake I'm gone.

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